I really wanted to like these shorts... I've been a fan of another brand for years, but wanted to try these to see how they compared since they were at a similar price point. Overall the material feels a bit stiffer and heavier than other brands, so I'm sure it would hold up really well over time, but I probably will never get to that point with them because of the liner. I like my shorts with a built in liner. The liner felt great in the thigh/leg, but felt saggy in the most important area. To put it into perspective I threw them on before I was going to head to the gym, I took my dog for a quick walk, by the time I got back from a 5 minute walk, I knew these shorts weren't for me.